1 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:11,020 foreign 2 00:00:37,010 --> 00:00:16,310 [Music] 3 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:37,020 behind the scenes of UFO cover-up live 4 00:00:42,530 --> 00:00:40,800 Part 5 by Charles Lear this is the last 5 00:00:44,510 --> 00:00:42,540 of what has turned into a five-part 6 00:00:46,610 --> 00:00:44,520 series looking into the events at led up 7 00:00:49,190 --> 00:00:46,620 two and the people who became involved 8 00:00:52,569 --> 00:00:49,200 with the television production UFO 9 00:00:55,729 --> 00:00:52,579 cover-up live which aired on October 14 10 00:00:57,830 --> 00:00:55,739 1988. it seems that the show's producer 11 00:00:59,990 --> 00:00:57,840 Michael Seligman believed that it would 12 00:01:02,330 --> 00:01:00,000 be the vehicle for an earth-shaking UFO 13 00:01:04,070 --> 00:01:02,340 disclosure what resulted was a clumsy 14 00:01:06,289 --> 00:01:04,080 and awkward production where the only 15 00:01:08,690 --> 00:01:06,299 disclosure anyone remembers is that 16 00:01:10,789 --> 00:01:08,700 aliens like strawberry ice cream Robert 17 00:01:13,370 --> 00:01:10,799 sciveria wrote a three-part series of 18 00:01:16,609 --> 00:01:13,380 Articles titled the cover-up behind UFO 19 00:01:19,030 --> 00:01:16,619 cover-up live for diabolic magazine the 20 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:19,040 first of which was posted on May 17 21 00:01:24,469 --> 00:01:22,560 2022 scavaria spoke to Curtis Brubaker 22 00:01:26,870 --> 00:01:24,479 who came up with the idea for the show 23 00:01:28,670 --> 00:01:26,880 and Tracy tormay who produced the 24 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:28,680 segment of the show devoted to the Gulf 25 00:01:32,690 --> 00:01:30,420 Breeze Florida sightings and the 26 00:01:35,210 --> 00:01:32,700 pictures taken by Ed Walters according 27 00:01:37,490 --> 00:01:35,220 to scavaria Rubik acre was an industrial 28 00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:37,500 designer who worked as a special effects 29 00:01:42,710 --> 00:01:40,079 coordinator on the late 1970s TV show 30 00:01:44,330 --> 00:01:42,720 project UFO he was driving in Los 31 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:44,340 Angeles with his wife and they were 32 00:01:48,289 --> 00:01:46,079 listening to a radio show that had Bill 33 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:48,299 Moore and Jamie chandray on as guests 34 00:01:52,429 --> 00:01:51,060 Brubaker told scavaria I listened 35 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:52,439 carefully to all the stuff they were 36 00:01:56,690 --> 00:01:54,960 saying and told my wife if all this 37 00:01:58,609 --> 00:01:56,700 is going on these abductions and all 38 00:02:00,590 --> 00:01:58,619 this stuff somebody ought to file a 39 00:02:02,810 --> 00:02:00,600 lawsuit and take the government to court 40 00:02:04,730 --> 00:02:02,820 we ought to get some expert Witnesses 41 00:02:07,550 --> 00:02:04,740 and find out what the hell is really 42 00:02:10,010 --> 00:02:07,560 going on because this is an invasion of 43 00:02:12,050 --> 00:02:10,020 America's privacy instead of taking the 44 00:02:14,869 --> 00:02:12,060 government to court Brubaker came up 45 00:02:17,330 --> 00:02:14,879 with the idea for UFO cover-up live and 46 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:17,340 pitched it to LBS Communications which 47 00:02:21,470 --> 00:02:19,080 had just had great success with the 48 00:02:24,170 --> 00:02:21,480 mystery of Al Capone's faults in 1986 49 00:02:27,470 --> 00:02:24,180 and returned to the Titanic live in 50 00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:27,480 1987. brubacher suggested Tracy tormay 51 00:02:31,970 --> 00:02:30,000 to produce the Gulf Breeze segment Torme 52 00:02:34,190 --> 00:02:31,980 a TV producer and member of The Writers 53 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:34,200 Guild was quite familiar with the UFO 54 00:02:39,710 --> 00:02:36,959 subject and is described as interest as 55 00:02:42,110 --> 00:02:39,720 lifelong according to scavaria problems 56 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:42,120 appeared from day one the two men who 57 00:02:46,550 --> 00:02:44,160 had produced the specials on Al Capone's 58 00:02:48,830 --> 00:02:46,560 votes and the Titanic were busy with a 59 00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:48,840 follow-up to the Titanic special a 60 00:02:52,550 --> 00:02:51,180 low-level producer Michael sulligan was 61 00:02:55,070 --> 00:02:52,560 the only one from the former two 62 00:02:57,290 --> 00:02:55,080 specials available and he by all 63 00:02:59,869 --> 00:02:57,300 accounts was not very familiar with the 64 00:03:02,150 --> 00:02:59,879 subject of UFOs The Writer's Guild was 65 00:03:04,070 --> 00:03:02,160 on strike at the time but Seligman found 66 00:03:06,830 --> 00:03:04,080 a willing scab in the person of very 67 00:03:08,750 --> 00:03:06,840 tough Taft's only production credit was 68 00:03:11,570 --> 00:03:08,760 as a consultant for the 1982 69 00:03:13,490 --> 00:03:11,580 supernatural horror film The Entity he 70 00:03:15,949 --> 00:03:13,500 actually investigated the case on which 71 00:03:17,869 --> 00:03:15,959 it is based and his experience as a 72 00:03:20,809 --> 00:03:17,879 writer consisted of writing articles on 73 00:03:23,149 --> 00:03:20,819 UFOs in the Paranormal for magazines he 74 00:03:25,250 --> 00:03:23,159 was let go early on and Torme told 75 00:03:27,589 --> 00:03:25,260 scavaria that the production staff 76 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:27,599 pressured him to write but he refused 77 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:30,720 TAF wrote articles for UFO magazine and 78 00:03:35,449 --> 00:03:32,940 not long after the show aired editor 79 00:03:38,630 --> 00:03:35,459 Vicki Cooper posted a first-hand account 80 00:03:42,410 --> 00:03:38,640 written by TAF TAF later denied writing 81 00:03:44,930 --> 00:03:42,420 it on UFO BBS UFO bulletin board system 82 00:03:47,270 --> 00:03:44,940 Taff we're going with the idea that it 83 00:03:50,089 --> 00:03:47,280 was Taft described that the opportunity 84 00:03:52,430 --> 00:03:50,099 to work with UFO Consultants such as 85 00:03:54,410 --> 00:03:52,440 William Moore Jamie chandray and Stanton 86 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:54,420 Friedman was a once in a lifetime 87 00:03:58,850 --> 00:03:57,120 opportunity according to TAF rumors 88 00:04:01,490 --> 00:03:58,860 started circulating that the show was 89 00:04:03,170 --> 00:04:01,500 being influenced by insiders who were 90 00:04:06,770 --> 00:04:03,180 supposedly government Intelligence 91 00:04:10,130 --> 00:04:06,780 Officers from such agencies as CIA NSA 92 00:04:12,350 --> 00:04:10,140 or even mj-12 some of the creative staff 93 00:04:16,009 --> 00:04:12,360 found this comical and someone made up 94 00:04:17,870 --> 00:04:16,019 cards ranging from mj1 to m J12 and tape 95 00:04:20,990 --> 00:04:17,880 them to the desks of the production 96 00:04:23,689 --> 00:04:21,000 staff Taft describes the first dark 97 00:04:25,730 --> 00:04:23,699 clouds appearing after the producer 98 00:04:27,830 --> 00:04:25,740 Seligman is not mentioned by name 99 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:27,840 throughout started having meetings with 100 00:04:32,390 --> 00:04:30,240 Condor and Falcon he describes him 101 00:04:34,570 --> 00:04:32,400 becoming so paranoid that he became 102 00:04:37,129 --> 00:04:34,580 irrational and that his incredible 103 00:04:40,129 --> 00:04:37,139 indecisiveness drove the creative staff 104 00:04:42,590 --> 00:04:40,139 to distraction in the article by Robbie 105 00:04:46,189 --> 00:04:42,600 Graham the Tom DeLonge delusion posted 106 00:04:48,650 --> 00:04:46,199 November 15 2016 on Mysterious Universe 107 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:48,660 Torme is quoted giving his version of 108 00:04:52,909 --> 00:04:50,880 what happened Bill Moore wanted to get 109 00:04:55,550 --> 00:04:52,919 involved in the project because he'd 110 00:04:57,890 --> 00:04:55,560 heard all about it so he came in and it 111 00:04:59,990 --> 00:04:57,900 was very very Cloak and Dagger he 112 00:05:02,210 --> 00:05:00,000 insisted on meeting the producers behind 113 00:05:04,249 --> 00:05:02,220 closed doors and they couldn't tell any 114 00:05:06,770 --> 00:05:04,259 of us what they had discussed before 115 00:05:08,570 --> 00:05:06,780 long more flew the producers out to an 116 00:05:10,430 --> 00:05:08,580 island in the middle of the Great Lakes 117 00:05:13,909 --> 00:05:10,440 where he introduced them to his inside 118 00:05:17,030 --> 00:05:13,919 informants Falcon Dodie not rozitski and 119 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:17,040 condor Robert Collins Torme also 120 00:05:21,170 --> 00:05:18,720 describes Seligman as becoming 121 00:05:23,330 --> 00:05:21,180 irrational one of the decisions Seligman 122 00:05:25,730 --> 00:05:23,340 made which Torme considered irrational 123 00:05:27,890 --> 00:05:25,740 was insisting that the entire show be 124 00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:27,900 scripted and that everyone read off cue 125 00:05:32,150 --> 00:05:30,240 cards this made for some very awkward 126 00:05:35,029 --> 00:05:32,160 moments during the Airing as some of the 127 00:05:37,490 --> 00:05:35,039 guests were quite inept at this when the 128 00:05:40,310 --> 00:05:37,500 show went live Mike Farrell of mash Fame 129 00:05:42,529 --> 00:05:40,320 was a hapless host and he made a heroic 130 00:05:44,450 --> 00:05:42,539 effort he didn't lose his cool even when 131 00:05:46,730 --> 00:05:44,460 he was working with a live feed with a 132 00:05:48,650 --> 00:05:46,740 bad delay to Russia to talk to two 133 00:05:51,110 --> 00:05:48,660 Russian researchers Moore was in touch 134 00:05:53,210 --> 00:05:51,120 with not only were they bad at cue cards 135 00:05:55,129 --> 00:05:53,220 they were bad at English there are 136 00:05:57,290 --> 00:05:55,139 squeaky chair noises and noises from 137 00:05:59,749 --> 00:05:57,300 off-camera which add to the amateurish 138 00:06:01,550 --> 00:05:59,759 quality of the show there are also phone 139 00:06:03,590 --> 00:06:01,560 numbers the viewers could call for a 140 00:06:05,330 --> 00:06:03,600 charge of one dollar to report Close 141 00:06:07,490 --> 00:06:05,340 Encounters from level one to four 142 00:06:09,650 --> 00:06:07,500 recommend whether or not Congress should 143 00:06:12,590 --> 00:06:09,660 look in the UFOs or to report that 144 00:06:14,210 --> 00:06:12,600 they'd had no UFO experiences one moment 145 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:14,220 that raised some eyebrows was during an 146 00:06:18,529 --> 00:06:16,560 interview with former Pentagon spokesman 147 00:06:20,749 --> 00:06:18,539 and chief of public information for the 148 00:06:23,270 --> 00:06:20,759 Air Force William Coleman Coleman 149 00:06:26,990 --> 00:06:23,280 describes having seen a silver 70-foot 150 00:06:29,629 --> 00:06:27,000 disc in 1955 while flying a B-25 over 151 00:06:31,670 --> 00:06:29,639 Alabama according to the thread the 152 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:31,680 mysterious tale of William T Coleman 153 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:34,680 ex-project Blue Book spokesman and UFO 154 00:06:39,050 --> 00:06:36,720 experiencer on the Above Top Secret 155 00:06:41,749 --> 00:06:39,060 Forum Coleman came forward with the 156 00:06:43,909 --> 00:06:41,759 story on the Merv Griffin show in 1978 157 00:06:45,890 --> 00:06:43,919 after all the lead-up stories and 158 00:06:48,170 --> 00:06:45,900 discussion when it was time for the big 159 00:06:51,050 --> 00:06:48,180 reveal viewers were shown two government 160 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:51,060 insiders identified as Falcon and Condor 161 00:06:55,790 --> 00:06:53,460 with their faces in Shadow and their 162 00:06:57,770 --> 00:06:55,800 voices electronically altered Pharaoh 163 00:07:00,529 --> 00:06:57,780 acts as if he's actually talking to 164 00:07:03,230 --> 00:07:00,539 Falcon but according to scavaria he had 165 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:03,240 been recorded in 1983 for a CBS 166 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:06,360 60-minute segment that never aired Peter 167 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:08,220 Leone identified on the show as 168 00:07:13,129 --> 00:07:10,800 executive producer of news for the CBS 169 00:07:15,170 --> 00:07:13,139 station in Los Angeles states that he 170 00:07:18,890 --> 00:07:15,180 had met and verified the identity of 171 00:07:20,930 --> 00:07:18,900 Falcon in 1983 in 1987. there have been 172 00:07:23,330 --> 00:07:20,940 disagreements as to who these men were 173 00:07:26,270 --> 00:07:23,340 but Robert Collins stated that he was 174 00:07:28,790 --> 00:07:26,280 Condor and that Dodie was Falcon in the 175 00:07:31,370 --> 00:07:28,800 2005 book he and Dodie co-authored with 176 00:07:34,430 --> 00:07:31,380 Timothy good the black world of UFOs 177 00:07:37,010 --> 00:07:34,440 exempt from disclosure although Doty is 178 00:07:39,050 --> 00:07:37,020 continually denied he was Falcon he is 179 00:07:42,309 --> 00:07:39,060 listed as Falcon in the cast list for 180 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:42,319 the show on IMBD and Condor is anonymous 181 00:07:47,689 --> 00:07:45,360 Dodie as Falcon declares that there is 182 00:07:50,330 --> 00:07:47,699 one alien guest in the U.S at that time 183 00:07:52,029 --> 00:07:50,340 as part of an exchange program and that 184 00:07:55,010 --> 00:07:52,039 there had been three since 185 00:07:57,230 --> 00:07:55,020 1948-49 the first one was held captive 186 00:07:58,909 --> 00:07:57,240 after a crash in New Mexico and the 187 00:08:01,309 --> 00:07:58,919 second was also part of an exchange 188 00:08:04,129 --> 00:08:01,319 program his description is much like 189 00:08:06,110 --> 00:08:04,139 that of the iconic gray alien he says 190 00:08:08,210 --> 00:08:06,120 that there are both males and females 191 00:08:11,390 --> 00:08:08,220 and that they have four fingers with no 192 00:08:13,610 --> 00:08:11,400 thumbs he says they eat vegetables enjoy 193 00:08:15,710 --> 00:08:13,620 ancient Tibetan music and that their 194 00:08:17,629 --> 00:08:15,720 favorite snack back is strawberry ice 195 00:08:19,309 --> 00:08:17,639 cream because of these and other 196 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:19,319 ridiculous statements made throughout 197 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:21,840 the show such as Stanton Freeman stating 198 00:08:26,390 --> 00:08:24,120 that he and his fellow researchers could 199 00:08:28,369 --> 00:08:26,400 prove that there was a crash at Roswell 200 00:08:30,469 --> 00:08:28,379 that was covered up and that alien 201 00:08:33,050 --> 00:08:30,479 bodies were recovered and taken away for 202 00:08:34,610 --> 00:08:33,060 autopsies there was speculation that the 203 00:08:36,769 --> 00:08:34,620 government used the show as a 204 00:08:39,050 --> 00:08:36,779 disinformation vehicle according to 205 00:08:40,370 --> 00:08:39,060 scavarius Seligman has denied that there 206 00:08:42,409 --> 00:08:40,380 was any interference from the 207 00:08:45,590 --> 00:08:42,419 intelligence Community there's a chapter 208 00:08:47,870 --> 00:08:45,600 in Jim Mosley's 2002 book shockingly 209 00:08:50,150 --> 00:08:47,880 close to the truth Confessions of a 210 00:08:53,269 --> 00:08:50,160 grave-robbing ufologist regarding the 211 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:53,279 Air Force's UFO policy titled planned 212 00:08:57,650 --> 00:08:55,980 confusion or pure stupidity as we have 213 00:08:59,930 --> 00:08:57,660 been trying to stick to the principle of 214 00:09:02,090 --> 00:08:59,940 parsimony throughout this series if one 215 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:02,100 applies that question to UFO cover-up 216 00:09:07,070 --> 00:09:04,800 live the simplest answer is to be 217 00:09:09,110 --> 00:09:07,080 preferred thanks to Kirk Collins and 218 00:09:10,190 --> 00:09:09,120 Kevin Randall for their comments and 219 00:09:21,270 --> 00:09:10,200 insight